Valve tray col &odd and sods

by **bt1** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:04 pm

Just tinkering with next winters build ideas.

Wondering has anyone ever looked at a valved tray in 4" - 8" from a rough costings view point?

Be interested to see what you think it would be worth for mtls. Time=free...well opportunity cost only.

Is it poss to get 6" sight glasses..

btw has anyone yet tinkered with a vacuum system .. read a bit on possibles but be nice to see if it's actually be done here.

bt1

by **Aussiedownunder01** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:15 pm

On next years build whats the go with wavey plates you mentioned [well i think it was you ]

by **MacStill** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 7:37 pm

bt1 wrote:Just tinkering with next winters build ideas.

Wondering has anyone ever looked at a valved tray in 4" - 8" from a rough costings view point?

Be interested to see what you think it would be worth for mtls. Time=free...well opportunity cost only.

Is it poss to get 6" sight glasses..

btw has anyone yet tinkered with a vacuum system .. read a bit on possibles but be nice to see if it's actually be done here.

bt1

I reckon someone with your ability and way of thinking you could come up with a cheap and very neat idea for a valved tray, I've seen rivets, coins, little bolts and all sorts of great ideas for valves, I think it was modernity that even used some tap valve/washer idea too.

6" SG's are an option, I can get them now I got a reliable supplier willing to do custom stuff.

No vacuum for me mate, that's the mrs job :handgestures-thumbupleft:

by **crow** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:33 pm

heard those vacuum stills suck :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

by **bt1** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:37 pm

Geez mac...only got so much thinking time left..I'm old~ish...we'll have a crack I guess

Already trying the wave plates...

using it in 2 weekends time in an oversize cut(ie allow vapour drop, no retention) for a botanticals caddy...bastard to press up .. real bastard ... under estimated this bit...

I'll need Mac or EG to do these on a full scale..I borrowed a sheet press at a mates and it took bloody hours...that's the easy bit but cutting them F me!

need to really make a workable template is the key cos as you fold they "shrink"...it's about knowing the start dimensions.

I'll let you know

a struggling
bt1

by **Lupus** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:38 pm

Why do they suck?

I assume the aim of vacuum distillation is to decrease the boiling point of the wash thereby preventing the heat of distillation from potentially changing the flavours.

I am curios as to how they achieve this and keep the vacuum as distillate is drawn out.

by **googe** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:45 pm

Got any pics of these mystical wave plate bt?.

by **punchy21** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 8:47 pm

Lupus wrote:Why do they suck?

I assume the aim of vacuum distillation is to decrease the boiling point of the wash thereby preventing the heat of distillation from potentially changing the flavours.

I am curios as to how they achieve this and keep the vacuum as distillate is drawn out.

Fishing's good eh Crow? :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

by **bt1** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:02 pm

googe,

you bugga...yes but no is the answer...cos I have one fear..the slits will block and act like a plug...

let me try the bastard extension first.

Lup see HD's EG thread on vacuum designs it's a long read...several days...lot of ideas...EG is about the best on this and has previously posted his concept of

"less in and more/same out=lower costs"

it gets covered roughly then gets lost but re focuses on this ...link to HD at the end if you want to time warp..

http://aussiedistiller.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2756&hilit=vacuum#p38555

bt1

by **emptyglass** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 9:44 pm

BT1, I looked into using saddle rivets, but post from US was a deal breaker. Saddle rivets looked good as they had a very flat angle on the underside, not like a 45 degree normal rivet. I could get copper rivets, but they had a 1" long shank. To get a more reaslistic 1/2" long shank, there was a minimum order of aroud 5kg. They were done by a SA mob, from memory.
Anyway I went, I found that they were bloody expensive, way more than drilling some holes. You would really want to do it for the cost. Copper coins work, see Sungy's valved column on HD.

I can fold your plates up for you. I have a 4' panbrake that can do interupted folds, and small zig zag type folding. Wouldn't be hard to rough them out, fold them, then cut them to size on the lathe.

If you did want to play with vaccum, might be wise to stick to the smaller sightglass sizes, same vac on a 2" might bust a 6". Depends on how strong a vaccum you want to run.

by **Kimbo** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:28 pm

crow wrote:heard those vacuum stills suck :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

Yerp, just ask Cupcake :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

by **crow** » Mon Jan 07, 2013 10:41 pm

punchy21 wrote:
Lupus wrote:Why do they suck?

I assume the aim of vacuum distillation is to decrease the boiling point of the wash thereby preventing the heat of distillation from potentially changing the flavours.

I am curios as to how they achieve this and keep the vacuum as distillate is drawn out.

Fishing's good eh Crow? :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling: :laughing-rolling:

yeah ummm got nuffin to add :teasing-tease:

by **googe** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 10:16 am

bt1 wrote:googe,

you bugga...yes but no is the answer...cos I have one fear..the slits will block and act like a plug...

let me try the bastard extension first.

Lup see HD's EG thread on vacuum designs it's a long read...several days...lot of ideas...EG is about the best on this and has previously posted his concept of

"less in and more/same out=lower costs"

it gets covered roughly then gets lost but re focuses on this ...link to HD at the end if you want to time warp..

http://aussiedistiller.com.au/viewtopic.php?f=36&t=2756&hilit=vacuum#p38555

bt1

Ok bt, you have 2 weeks, no more no less :teasing-neener: :laughing-rolling:

by **MacStill** » Tue Jan 08, 2013 11:39 pm

Any ideas floating around in there bt1 ?

Pretty keen to see where your upto with the wave plate too.....

C'mon dont hold back.

by **bt1** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 6:10 am

Geez,
no pressure here....

more questions and things to work out at this stage...

I'm not getting into gear till winter in any case just working through the steps of a game plan... a few minor tests bits along the way.

More interested in electronics for this newy to be honest...things have changed shit loads in past 10 years...it's a whole new world.

bt1

by **MacStill** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 8:12 am

No pressure dude.

You started the thread now you don't want to discuss, kind of strange don't you think? :teasing-neener:

by **bt1** » Wed Jan 09, 2013 12:03 pm

Nah,

not really strange...

I just simply don't know enough yet to discuss a response ..end of the weekend once I've got some reading, looked at a few, read threads etc should be ok...

reckon though may still require some assistance with the valves selection/design...it looks tricky

bt1

by **MacStill** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 9:09 am

See here for modernity's valve plate idea :handgestures-thumbupleft:

viewtopic.php?f=36&t=1172&start=40#p14663

by **bt1** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:12 pm

mac,

nice..it's almost nailed it for me..

consider a slight camber or repressed lip to the plate?

bt1

by **crow** » Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:50 pm

arn't you guys worried about the noise attracting attention ,heard they rattle and bang like a traction engine with a broken flywheel