Professor Green wrote:I'm not sure off the top of my head but there's a formula floating around the forum that you can use to determine the quantities. If you can't find it, googling Odin's Easy Gin should get it.
Chocko6969 wrote:Professor Green wrote:I'm not sure off the top of my head but there's a formula floating around the forum that you can use to determine the quantities. If you can't find it, googling Odin's Easy Gin should get it.
Might have been this one Prof, I can't give the credit where I got it from but it's a good reference:
X juniper
X/2 coriander
X/10 angelica, cassia, cinnamon, licorice, bitter almonds, grains of paradise, cubeb berries
X/100 bitter & sweet orange peel, lemon peel, ginger, orris root, cardamom, nutmeg, savory, calamus, chamomile
If we use X = 20g, then X/2 = 10g, X/10 = 2g, X/100 = 0.2g (200mg).
Multiply by the number of finished litres. Using only one of each division provides 32.2 grams/litre, leaving considerable room for adjustment and addition.
This is only a guideline, so keep in mind that variations to this pattern bring out different flavours and back-flavours, a different nose, a different aftertaste and mouth-feel. Also remember that the spirit, regardless of the distillation method used, must be as clean as possible (absolute minimum heads and tails) because re-distillation is for the purpose of adding the botanicals, not fixing the wash.
Chocko
Ned wrote:Chocko6969 wrote:Professor Green wrote:I'm not sure off the top of my head but there's a formula floating around the forum that you can use to determine the quantities. If you can't find it, googling Odin's Easy Gin should get it.
Might have been this one Prof, I can't give the credit where I got it from but it's a good reference:
X juniper
X/2 coriander
X/10 angelica, cassia, cinnamon, licorice, bitter almonds, grains of paradise, cubeb berries
X/100 bitter & sweet orange peel, lemon peel, ginger, orris root, cardamom, nutmeg, savory, calamus, chamomile
If we use X = 20g, then X/2 = 10g, X/10 = 2g, X/100 = 0.2g (200mg).
Multiply by the number of finished litres. Using only one of each division provides 32.2 grams/litre, leaving considerable room for adjustment and addition.
This is only a guideline, so keep in mind that variations to this pattern bring out different flavours and back-flavours, a different nose, a different aftertaste and mouth-feel. Also remember that the spirit, regardless of the distillation method used, must be as clean as possible (absolute minimum heads and tails) because re-distillation is for the purpose of adding the botanicals, not fixing the wash.
Chocko
The finished litres is what I am finding hard to estimate. Because of the great variation in % that is coming off the still. Am I over thinking this ?
If I put in 10 litres @ 40% and put enough water in to cover the element say 10 litres I will have a % of 20 ABV in the boiler.
What is the best way to estimate the number of litres. ? :text-thankyoublue:
Chocko6969 wrote:Ned wrote:Chocko6969 wrote:Professor Green wrote:I'm not sure off the top of my head but there's a formula floating around the forum that you can use to determine the quantities. If you can't find it, googling Odin's Easy Gin should get it.
Might have been this one Prof, I can't give the credit where I got it from but it's a good reference:
X juniper
X/2 coriander
X/10 angelica, cassia, cinnamon, licorice, bitter almonds, grains of paradise, cubeb berries
X/100 bitter & sweet orange peel, lemon peel, ginger, orris root, cardamom, nutmeg, savory, calamus, chamomile
If we use X = 20g, then X/2 = 10g, X/10 = 2g, X/100 = 0.2g (200mg).
Multiply by the number of finished litres. Using only one of each division provides 32.2 grams/litre, leaving considerable room for adjustment and addition.
This is only a guideline, so keep in mind that variations to this pattern bring out different flavours and back-flavours, a different nose, a different aftertaste and mouth-feel. Also remember that the spirit, regardless of the distillation method used, must be as clean as possible (absolute minimum heads and tails) because re-distillation is for the purpose of adding the botanicals, not fixing the wash.
Chocko
The finished litres is what I am finding hard to estimate. Because of the great variation in % that is coming off the still. Am I over thinking this ?
If I put in 10 litres @ 40% and put enough water in to cover the element say 10 litres I will have a % of 20 ABV in the boiler.
What is the best way to estimate the number of litres. ? :text-thankyoublue:
Yes you may be overthinking it a little but that's fine, once you get your head right it will become clearer.
When you say 10ltrs @ 40% I'm assuming these are heart of hearts. Use this dilution page: http://www.aussiedistiller.com.au/xcalcs.html
I nearly always go 35% but that's just me.
Just as an idea, here's what I do. I have a Gin head for vapour infusion in a SS basket. I only run small batches as this is what I prefer. I get about 3.5ltrs of heart of hearts, usually around 85%ABV and just add water up to about 20ltrs total. Very low ABV in the boiler but I'm safe in my mind and don't care about the extra heat up time. Fores only about 50ml discarded and then run the rest fairly slowly doing cuts of about 200-250ml, end up with about 20 jars or so, right down to about 30% as I've found this is when it gets a bit cloudy and too peppery.
So after it's aired and blended I usually get a bit over 3ltrs at about 75-85% and then dilute from there to 44%, giving about 5ltrs.
This is your magic figure, 5lts X (25-35gms or 32.2gms above) = about 150 odd gms of botanicals, which is what I aim for. I always take notes in a spreadsheet as I'm trying for consistency of a very nice Gin, and this helps enormously. Some people might use the 3ltrs of hearts as their multiplier but I think that would leave your flavour short, I'm fairly certain the multiplier is the finished product ABV.
I'm no expert and I'm only up to about batch #6 but it seems to be working out just nicely.
Cheers,
Chocko
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