FatManDancing wrote:All that is true but again where does that leave us?
I can not and will never be big enough to even come close to paying that amount of tax on what I can produce. Upped my game by buying a coupla 60L fermenters and that is a major upgrayyedd!!... :mrgreen:
To me this seems like the complete abandonment of trying to police home distilling on a federal level, ie; expect to see a surge of startups
On the state level though... Watch South Australia Fuck it all
Sam. wrote:FatManDancing wrote:To me this seems like the complete abandonment of trying to police home distilling on a federal level, ie; expect to see a surge of startups
Mate the sooner you realize that home distilling is still currently illegal in Australia and if you want to stick your head up from the fox hole expect it to be blown off the better.
FatManDancing wrote:Hi Sam
I think I offended you by slamming South Australia. my intention was not to cause you harm or aggravation but to point out the terrible record South Australia has in killing emerging industries. Some of the biggest retailers of vape products were based in Adelaide until they were effectively kicked out. They moved to Vicco
For the record, I am South Australian. I may have been born in Penrith Hospital but I spent 40 years growing up and living in S.A. That is something people do not lie about
However
I find it rather ironic and a bit disturbing that the site admin of an Aust. stillin forum would try to shut down any talk of the legalization of stillin
I get it though. You have been down this path several times before. I think this time is different. Sure the tax rebate applies to craft distillers and brewers but I am of the opinion that the Federal Government has come to the realization it can no longer base their collection of taxes on chickens and booze
Trickle down economics usually does not work and maybe I am a bit naive but I am still of the opinion this could lead to something big
Respectfully,
FatManDancing wrote:All that is true but again where does that leave us?
I can not and will never be big enough to even come close to paying that amount of tax on what I can produce. Upped my game by buying a coupla 60L fermenters and that is a major upgrayyedd!!... :mrgreen:
To me this seems like the complete abandonment of trying to police home distilling on a federal level, ie; expect to see a surge of startups
On the state level though... Watch South Australia Fuck it all
bluc wrote:Although the stance of "health" or "think of the children" is promoted and pushed by governement. I doubt big companies spend millions lobbying governements so we can be safe and healthy, especially the companies making the same products as us.
Most likely its in their best interest financially to do so...
bluc wrote:Although the stance of "health" or "think of the children" is promoted and pushed by governement. I doubt big companies spend millions lobbying governements so we can be safe and healthy, especially the companies making the same products as us.
I guess I'm not making it clear here. It's not the big guys lobbying against home level. It's not the small guys lobbying against home level (but if they had to point to someone that was causing harm it would be easier to find cases of cowboys making nasty stuff at home than it would be to find cases against the big guys). The health lobby groups (guys like the cancer council for example) actively lobby against booze production at any level and argue that increases in taxation and harsher penalties for illegal production are ideal. They'd also love to increase age limits, apply plain packaging, and have more prominent warning labels (things like graphic images of miscarried babies). So not pushed BY government, pushed TO government. Home-level production almost never gets talked about in policy places in a positive manner, regardless of how safe it is when you know what you're doing. There's not a single entity apart from maybe the local HBS or specialist provider of parts and equip who have a vested interest in promoting home production and I am unaware of any of them going into bat with local politicians to overturn laws around producing at home. And honestly, why would they when they can still sell their gear without a single rule being changed as long as customers don't mess it all up by drawing attention to themselves? The thing the big guys do lobby against is any kind of further regulation, like the ones I've described above.
Make no mistake the government is aware that to the layperson, it's very popular to punish home producers, which has nothing to do with excise taxes.
Most likely its in their best interest financially to do so...
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