My pantry scab tom wash

[googe]

Hi all, ive been digging around in the pantry cause i cant be ased going out and buying ingredience toady, to cold and miserable. This is what ive put down 8-} ,

4kg white sugar
500g barley malt
500g dextros
90g bakers yeast
400g tin tomatos
Whole lemon cut and chucked in


Happy times.

[grehund]

I'm interested to see how this turns out. :smile: I don't think you'll get the same nutrients from tinned tomatos that you get from the tomato paste. Might be a little light on the sugar too. What's your SG?

[googe]

Yeah wasnt sure about the amount of nutrient, its less tom per g but more amount in all so fingers crossed. Wasnt sure about the sugar either, will see what happens. SG is 1.080 on the dot, im gunna make the yeast work for its $ haha.

[googe]

Its down to 1.060 now after 2 days, is that normal for this type wash, only ever done beer washes.

[law-of-ohms]

what size wash? L = ? 25 ?

[bt1]

googe,

why the hell not...

Law has had the odd :)) :)) new brew of recent some bloody funny to see actually the colours F me!

btw Law you owe us a post on tastes!
Let you waste water/sewage service provider know first but... :laughing-rolling:

bt1

[law-of-ohms]

bt1 which ones have I missed?

[crow]

ahh I see you have a pot , love to see the look on ya face if ya eye drop this after a single run :teasing-tease:

[googe]

26L law-of-ohms. I have no idea what you other 2 are on about? :?

[law-of-ohms]

26L sounds like its running slow.

Do you know what temp the wash is?

[googe]

I put it down on sunday, its been between 16-30c, bit low at first but ive found a warmer spot and it seems to be around 24-28c now.

[googe]

Its down to 1.020 now and still going strong. I noticed the canned toms have citric acid in them, might be helping he prcoess.

[NotBenStiller]

Its down to 1.020 now and still going strong. I noticed the canned toms have citric acid in them, might be helping he prcoess.

Well, it's my understanding that if unless you boiled the tomatoes-in-a-can with the sugar the citric acid didn't invert the sugar (which may help the yeast ferment faster - it's debatable whether the effort is worth it)
Also as the wash progresses it will become more acidic and if if goes too acidic the yeast goes to sleep - so then you add something basic to get back to 5-6 pH (iirc)
so the citric acid my not be helping at all.

[crow]

Tomatoes have acid no getting away from that but without boiling from what I've read inversion will be negligible , just what I've read zero experience with inversion

[googe]

:? why do people put citric acid in there washes then?. I thought it helped the fermenting prcoess?.

[bt1]

googe,

the guys are spot on.

Citric also contained in lemon juice is added to sugar generally to boil to convert the table sugar over to a single or simple sugar so the yeasts can get at it faster. They prefer a simple sugar like Dex to a multi sugar like table sugar they have to break down before ingesting. Table sugar is a combo of several larger more chemically complex sugars.

For AG washes, citiric can also be added. AG washes are fairly netural pH by nature say around 7.0 - 6.5 Sugar is also netural. Yeasts prefer a pH of about 5.0 -6.5 pH generally. Specialist yeast will have specific requirements that may differ. So it's used to get the right pH for yeast start.

A pure netual pH wash then would preferably need some citiric or same to get pH right for the start say a wheatgerm type as all ingriendients are fairly netural in pH. A tomato paste wash has the acid from the tomatoes allready and generally would not require any addtional acids.


The note about washes progressively getting more acidic is also the norm. You could expect a drop of up to 2 pH pts to about low 4.0's as wash ferments.

bt1

[googe]

Thanks bt1, i know about the hole yeast liking better sugars, why have the other people on here put citric acid with there tom washes if its not needed?. So toward the end of my ferment i would be looking for between 3-4.5 ph?. Thanks for the info mate.

Cheers

[bt1]

googe,

Not sure why ppl would add more acid to a tom paste wash. If you stuck a ph meter in some like I just did now, got 3.8 pH it would be plenty on it's own.

Understanding perhaps? carry over of an ingreident list from other washes maybe?

bt1

[googe]

There ya go then, tried and proven. Thanks mate, i ll do mine later and have a looksie. I think you may be right about carry over from other lists, i bet alot of wash ingredience would get mixed and matched and forgotten to ajust.

Cheers

[wynnum1]

Used canned tomato worked OK only problem was clearing tomato residue when finished.