Triticale Recipe and Step by Step procedure Check Please

[Hormesis]

Hey All....
I have not visited here much since I built my 4 plate column. I learned a ton from the gurus of this site that made my build a success beyond my expectations. Thank You All very much. I have run it many times using recipes found on this site with very good results. Check out the build on this site called "Gotta have me one of these!" by Hormesis.

Now I want to try designing my own recipe. I have heard about TRITICALE grain and I think it may be right up my alley. I found some triticale last fall on a road trip so I bought enough to make enough mashes for a 5 gallon barrel. I malted half of it and I will use half of it raw in the same recipe.

My grains have all been from the feed store or farm…flaked (steam rolled) corn, home malted wheat, home malted barley and home malted rye. I have done many mashes using all grains and enzymes (mostly liquid) combined with my home malt and they have turned out well.

My mash setup includes 3 BOP's made out of kegs and 2 gas burners so I plan on making these recipes/batches simultaneously and cool them quickly with a wort chiller so I can dump them in a 30 gallon poly barrel for ferment on the grain.

Can anyone with triticlale experience please have a look and give me any pointers on my intended procedure?

So here’s my plan....

Triticale Mash 80% Triticale + 20% corn

Summary and Ingredients (step by step is below the summary)

20 lb Malted Triticale (home malted > dried > kilned 175° for 2 hrs then rested 3+ weeks)
20 lb Raw Triticale
10 lb Flaked Corn … for a touch of sweetness
(ALL grains ground to same size)
~20 gallons water (2.5 lb grain / gallon)
- Backset to adjust pH
- Gypsum
- Magnesium Sulfate
- Amylase Enzyme (dry) 140°-149° 0.1-0.3 tsp/gallon…(I can’t find data for mine so I’ll use this temp)
- Amylase Enzyme (liquid) AHA-400 170° - 190° / pH5.5 – 6.5 / 1.6ml / gallon
- Gluco Amylase (liquid) GA-150 90° - 110° /pH 5.5 – 6.5 / 0.8ml /gallon
- Yeast - Ferm Solutions FSL-927
- Beta Glucan rest at 110° - 115° for 30 minutes……..then……
- Protein rest at 125° for 30 minutes……..then
- Raise to saccarification temp by adding boiling water (201°) to first 10 lb of raw triticale after both rests….........want temp rise to 165°
-Then add malted grains (64°) … temp should settle at ~148° for conversion
(Rye gel temp is 135°-158°----wheat gel 140°-167° so this is dual purpose)



Corn portion first….Pretty straight forward for the corn portion….

FLAKED CORN
(ONE big aluminum pot to make corn mash for both batches of triticale)
4.5 gal water heated to boil pH 5.7 – 6.2 + 1tsp gypsum
10 lb corn at 64°
- add ground corn to boiling water then Amylase Enzyme (liquid) AHA-400 when at 190°
- wrap and rest for at least 30 minutes OR as long as it takes to mash the triticale
**When temp drifts down to 149° add alpha amylase powder
Then….
Let rest until temp gets to 148° THEN SPLIT BETWEEN 2 MASH TUNS WITH TRITICALE MASH


TRITICALE….MALTED AND RAW
Step by Step

TRITICALE (two separate batches in two BOP’S…enough for a 30 gallon poly barrel)
- Heat 4 gallons water to 119° and pH 5.7 – 6.2 + 1tsp gypsum
- Add 10 lb *RAW* ground triticale (grain temp 64°)
---- this should get me 113° for beta glucan rest…. ~30 minutes insulated
Plan on temp to drift down to 110°
While resting heat 1 gallon of water to boil with pH 5.7 – 6.2
- When 30 minute rest is done, add ¾ gallon of this boiling water to the mash…..
- We’re shooting for 125° for protein rest…add more boiling water or let cool to 125°
---- let mash rest for 30 minutes insulated
Plan on temp drifting down to 120°
- While resting, heat 2.8 gallons of water to boil with pH 5.7 – 6.2
- After the above rest, add 2.5 gallons of this water to mash tun and take temp…
** -We are shooting for 165°**
-At 165° add 10 lb of ground **MALTED** triticale (64°) and the temp should settle at ~148°.....Now add alpha amylase to mash

**…hmmmmmm!!....THE MALTED TRITICALE IS NOT BETA GLUCAN RESTED..…..**
It took a while to malt this triticale and I don’t want to denature it…..And I don’t want to risk heating it
up from 113° to 149° and scorching it. Am I asking for trouble here with 20 pounds of malted triticale
that WILL NOT BE BETA GLUCAN RESTED in my 50 pound batch?**

Cool it all to 80° and pitch big starter of Ferm Solutions FSL-927

------I’LL BE FERMENTING ON GRAIN------

So there you have it. My concerns are about the lack of beta glucan rest on the malted triticale and the
other concern is about the dry amylase enzyme temp/pH.

All comments and suggestions will be appreciated.

Thanks,

Hormesis

“Ignorance is its own punishment”